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but what we are talking about in 2023 is AI right gender of AI is the big buzz but how has 2023 changed your game hello and welcome to episode 69 of great things with great Tech the podcast highlighting companies doing great things with great technology my name's Anthony spateria and in this episode we're exploring the world of software development and consulting services with a leading company that excels in delivering industry focused software solutions they Empower businesses with software development expertise and
Cutting Edge technologies that company is info Zone and I'm talking to firkland as is the CEO of infozone welcome to the show thank you so very much Anthony uh player to have this podcast with you today so hey just before we get on to infozone and talk about you know what you're doing in this space if you look great things with great Tech and you'd like to appear on the future shows please click on the link on the show notes and register your interest or head to gtwgt.com and check the links there just
as a reminder you can catch all episodes of jtwjt on all good casting platforms Google Apple Spotify all hosted and distributed by Spotify podcasts and as a final reminder head to YouTube click the like And subscribe button and also alert because that way you'll get all future episodes so with that out of the way um let's talk about info Zone and talk a little bit about your history and how you came to to found the company and I think this is really good just to just to sort of lay the foundation here
infozion is such a different company to what I've had on the show before this is a true software development house and also the first one I can say with confidence that was founded out of Pakistan well uh yeah it is very interesting um thing and I would I have had a very long journey I would try to summarize it because we have a time constraint here um I show you this the very very first Venture in my life in 2014 and then that was a failure uh that startup was with one of my partner one of my friend as a
partner and got failed because uh the collaboration between the partners didn't went very well and then I made another attempt in 2017 with two of my friends partner and again the result was exactly same this time again I was not able to uh kind of have that ideal collaboration and coordination with my partners and we had to kind of shut it down once again but uh then after 2017 I went into some CTO role I I started serving to some us-based startups as a chief technology officer or as a kind of solution architect or technical project
manager sort of roles and and while serving those Tech startups I was realizing I was feeling that the talent um is big con constraint for those All Tech enabled companies because all of those companies that I was working with were Tech enabled companies they were trying to develop some sort of product that a tech product that they're trying to digitalize some some real life problems and they were were struggling with the talent with the tech talent that was kind of a key component or key kind of uh requirement of developing
some software solution so um and when I look at Pakistan Pakistan was having a huge number of available Technical Resources or software Engineers or quality assurance people or project managers available here and I found a huge gap there between the North American and European market versus uh Asian Pakistani market so I decided to establish one organization who is gonna solve the problem of all those ctOS and the head of engineering or VP engineering to to struggle with the tech talent and struggle with the timelines
and deliverables by serving by offering a managed service for them so it was on time is this kind of managed service provider for the tech enabled companies to offer the software development services to them or quality share and services to them or project management services to them so we kind of working right now with 80 plus clients and around the globe of course we are kind of not a limit limited or rigid or typically to one region we are working uh with anyone from any country any region because uh this is the era of you
know remote work you can connect with anyone over its own meat slack or email or whatnot and we are kind of working with 80 plus projects or clients or teams from different countries and regions right now and kind of running with 500 plus head count at the moment so yeah 500 plus yeah 500 plus are developers or our partitioners working with different projects so that's quick brief history and quick brief what exactly we are doing would love to take next question from yourself yeah that's that's a really good Roundup
so yeah it definitely is a different um kettle of fish to what I usually have on but I guess at the end of the day it's all software right and I guess what you want the company is offering what info zone is doing is actually you know Outsourcing a problem that would be internal to a company so you talked about the fact that you've spent some time inside an organization as that decision maker is that CTO trying to Wrangle the resources trying to do the projects internally and you saw you saw the problem and then from that you
thought well why can't I solve this by leveraging some of the technology Talent that's in Pakistan it's funny because I think to a certain extent Pakistan gets forgotten quite a bit next to India I'm in the subcontinent in terms of um not so much Cricket we've talked about Cricket before we both love our cricket which is always good to talk about um but yeah but I think it gets forgotten in terms of tech so we can't forget that there's a really strong Tech talent in Pakistan as well is is that
something that I guess is as intrinsic to the subconscionment or is there something else that drives it within you know in the air and more specifically in Pakistan uh well uh this is not about the uh about uh kind of the region the regional stuff I guess this is the interest of the people so uh in any region there is if there is an interest driven or uh people start taking interest into specific uh technology or a specific domain uh maybe some some people are kind some some region is specifically driving their focus toward Medical
Science probably or maybe um aeronautical science or maybe uh geographical science probably so it is it is their basic interest where you kind of put um your your community into and then Community side kind of take the Ripple impact and grows up so that's how uh India and Pakistan looks like this region is specifically uh very well focused on Information Technology the universities the education uh segment uh is playing a very critical and very important role and delivering those uh required um kind of education to the to the
youngsters who the young graduates and then they become the part of the industry as well and then after University there is a huge industry segment available on the local grounds in Pakistan specifically that kind of retrain those uh University graduates to become the top talent that kind of compete with the with the in U.
S space or european-based uh Tech Talent so that's how it looks like yeah and I think you mentioned yeah I think it really got it's the nurturing of the the system the school system the universities to be able to create not only interest because interest only goes so far but to be able to nurture talent to get them into a company like info zone is very important um you mentioned 500 employees at the moment so has that does that grow with every new customer that you get or how is it structured I'm always interested
in these software development houses like yourself when you're Outsourcing like this it does does the whole 500 work together to create certain pockets of program or is a certain team say 20 or 30 dedicated to a certain customer how does it structure uh the the dedicated part is is directly right explanation of that thing so let me quickly explain how the whole model Works uh we initially at Universal specific specifically we kind of hired the people first um by uh predicting the need of the market we kind of understand that okay
what sort of technology is becoming uh become coming into the demand for example AI was the was kind of quite in in Spike or hyper in demand for 2023 while metavert was quite in demand in 2022 and blockchain was in demand in 2021 and in 2020 it was Elixir technology so every year there is there is a technology that gonna go uh into a height we kind of predict that based on our knowledge based on our kind of analysis and there are many indications that we kind of uh keep in consideration to analyze what sort of Technology would
be coming in demand we on the demand on the demand side we kind of hired the resources and Engineers up front and put them into a free pool there is a concept of free pool or bench where we kind of put all the free Engineers or quality shares designers artists for managers stick on to the onto a free bench and wait for a new project to start so that's one component and the next comp another component is we kind of have sales and marketing teams who kind of approach the people who approach the VP engineering head of engineerings or ctOS
to um to grab their outsourced needs sometimes people really don't understand if they if they want to also so they need to Outsource but we kind of educate them at the same time and when they are ready to Outsource their part or full of their project or maybe sometimes they already have an in-house theme and they just want to augment some of the Helping Hands into their existing team so they really don't want to Outsource the project but they want to to in a kind of a source and an existing resource uh
into an existing team so that's also uh is a kind of model that we offer as a resource augmentation so there are two models resource augmentation and the product uh development in the resource augmentation people normally do have their own teams they we just kind of augment our Engineers designers or artists or party servers into their team and they become our Engineers become part of their team and then when they don't need that engineer they kind of outboard the engineer and we put that engineer back to the free pool or bench
again and similarly if we go into the project development model we kind of uh require gather the requirements prepare a plan product plan and resource plan and then once we sign the contract we engage the engineers our designers or acquired resources from our pre-pool into our product this product is led by a product manager internally from RSI and we kind of keep delivering the milestones every week or every two weeks that's how it normally works once cool the project is delivered we put those Engineers back to the bench again
so that bench is really interesting in the pool I understand the pool sense and that's kind of why I asked the question um an interesting thought that I just had is that while they're on the bench or while they're in the pool um are they is it so are they become a contractor or are they still employed um how does that work without getting into too much detail but it's kind of intriguing to say from a business perspective from a software development house like yourself when you've got this
pool and this bench how do you keep them engaged and and I guess gainfully employed right that's very interesting question uh all of our people are fully full-time employed we don't uh onboard any contractor because we we have been done that before but the seriousness and loyalty and long-term engagement perspective the contractors are not very good um I don't discuss contractor contractual work but again it does not fit our business models so we have to have all the engineers or people on our payroll all the time even when they are
on a free pool so when they when people are in pre-pool we kind of engage them on reskilling and upskilling of their uh their kind of tech skills okay because there is always a space available to expand your skills for example you are a devops engineer so probably um you are just an um expert with AWS uh Cloud so we may start uh engaging you training on to the Google Cloud as well or your as well or some other clouds as well so it helps you and helps us for our future engagements that's how it looks like that's awesome yeah I totally
get it so that's good that's what I was wondering whether they were still employed but obviously you while they're on the bench they're training up then they're getting re-skilled to be able to go to the next job so that's really interesting um I you mentioned AI we're going to definitely hit on that in the last part um I I did have an so in terms of what services you offer and what your sweet spot is um you mentioned Dave I've just mentioned public clouds like AWS or Google so what sort of development are
you doing is it more end applications where the platform doesn't matter or do you do work specifically with certain platforms like AWS the serverless products there um the kubernetes like what sort of is your is your core strength for is that part of the fact you've got 500 people so you can be pretty much good at whatever you need to be oh yeah um I have divided it was gone it is not 500 actually 620 people right now so 620 people I used to say 500 plus because uh the head count goes up and down you know it's not stable all the
time so it's it's 620 today while we are talking so uh I have divided this 620 Engineers or her people into three verticals one is in go blocks one is invo games and third one is in goes down Amazon is actually the primary company as well as the biggest vertical info blocks is blockchain vertical where we work on all the blockchain related projects uh all the web 3 related projects where it comes the crypto marketplaces and ft marketplaces b2p marketplaces crypto exchanges uh daps decentralized apps or defy uh for
decentralized finance any sort of mobile or web application that involved that have any sort of involvement with free or blockchain it can be Healthcare fintech from most of the time it is fintech but it can be the healthcare fintech is social uh Media or social platform or Commerce e-commerce platforms something like that so that comes under in Roblox and there is another vertical problems is purely working on game development and metaverse so game development comes with mobile games PC games console games and
uh we are our virtual reality based uh game so these are the games that we are working on it covers all the Fantasy games strategy games first first person person shooter games and some sort of hyper casual game so these are the games that we are developing under Indo games uh and there is third vertical that's called in Ozone itself it has a typical mobile and web application development but for AI based products or any sort of um products that comes with Healthcare at Tech Health Tech or e-commerce stuff
so our major focus is Health Tech Health Tech fintech and e-commerce these are the four major your verticals or industries that we we are focused on inside Amazon yeah so that's awesome so I I did read obviously the split that you had there and I've noticed that you were at some game development conference as well so the game part of it's really cool and I guess you know you talked about the progression and what's hot right obviously AI was hot today you mentioned metaverse was extremely hot
last year and then web3 and crypto has been and day five has been you know going as well but obviously let's tape enough off a lot um so you know how much more active what it what percentage would you say or maybe not a percentage give an indication of you know is crypto dead is web 3 dead or is it still active and bubbling and ready to take off again effectively and you you've got a split certain you know zone of the company set up for it so obviously you think it's still going to be something that is you
know going to be going in the future effectively for the crypto Parts specifically are expecting a surge in the crypto prices in 2024. in March or April 2024 that's my prediction based on the numbers and based on history so every four years there is a hobby expected and the next type the last type was in 2018 and next I paid uh in the prices of the crypto is expected in 2020 uh sorry um the last I was in 2020 and next IPS 2024.
so every four year we see a hype in the crypto prices so the best time to invest into any any stock or any kind of option is when the prices are lowest possible and right now the prices in the crypto space is the on the bottom line and we can invest whatever money we we want to and in 2024 we are expecting our uh Bitcoin to be 100 000 US Dollars uh for one Bitcoin you heard you heard her first you heard it here first I'm happy yes yes I'm still I'm one of those guys that's modeling and holding on and I was very big in the day five world I got
addicted to it like a lot of people back in in 2021 and it's quite exciting right all the new projects that were coming off the really cool thing about that was that you knew that there was a lot of programmers behind this there was obviously teams that were working to be able to pump out different projects and let's be honest some of them were a little cagey a little dicey you know absolutely but I think that's what you get in any sort of hype cycle of any new technology so it's quite interesting
that you know you you've still got that and you're outwardly still you know talking about the web 3 crypto metaverse absolutely I think is going to be something that continues to grow quite quite a lot you mentioned as well that you're working within the gaming so the metaverse is kind of built into your gaming which makes sense right um the stuff that um you know matter are doing with their Oculus product and the mix the the mixed reality stuff it's all pretty significant so that's pretty cool
that you're still in the in that World um and I kind of liked it so yeah I I really respect you for for staying strong and believing in it because it stuns me a lot of people certainly aren't talking about in 2023 but but what we are talking about in 2023 is AI right gender of AI it's just a big buzz and we you know that's set up in a way that it's not going to potentially crash like we've seen with crypto but I think in a way the hype will decrease and the actual use cases will level out and
we'll start to see the applications come through but I guess from your point of view this just give us a little bit of background about how you're embracing Ai and I know you've been doing this for a few years because I've read some some notes that you've been going into the AI space and ml space for a while but how has 2023 changed your game all right so we used to have an AI Team all the time since 2020 and we were having around 12 people all the time in our team for some AI related projects one thing we need to
understand AI is not new AI is in the market since 2010 so it's more than 13 years people are talking about AI in in practice actually so in theory eaai is much much older uh I passed my graduation in 2012 and at that time I was I I was enforced to take a course for AI artificial intelligence so it's meaning I was existent even before that but in practice AI started taking over the world in 2010 and 23 2023 with the hype of chat GPT everyone started talking about AI too much uh and then that I I believe it's the right time to
talk about this because um AI specifically the generative AI here is able to help us and save our time and the effort that human was doing to generate something for days or weeks or months it can be done with some sort of uh light language model or similar models within some milliseconds or some seconds or minutes or ores like the the time that is required to be to to achieve a task by a new man versus a generative AI um our model is kind of a huge gap there is a huge gap you would see things coming faster and faster in
the in the tech space now onward because for example now we can generate any sort of code from generative AI we're using chat GPT a developer don't really need to write the whole code base we used to rely on stack Overflow quite a lot we need to we used to rely on GitHub quite a lot for for stuff but now people are not going or developers or Engineers are not going to World um sort of GitHub or stack Overflow they just go to chat GPT and then just type their query and charge if GPD is giving them uh categories is one example we are
not explicitly kind of promoting GPT here specifically but then just an example publicly available uh portal or platform that you can use so people are going and writing the code this even clients are doing that now they're not going for first minor smaller tasks they are not going to uh be kind of in touch with software developer engineer they are simply going to recharge epd and their Dal e for specifically generating the images from the from the data and even at our Photoshop now have that plug-in where you can simply generate
the missing PCS are kind of mutate or change the specific image based on your requirements that's pretty crazy yeah I saw an example of that it's insane exactly and there there are tools that generate the videos based on your generative AI based on your input so you're use you now can see that everything is kind of getting the automation but one thing is super important here to talk when we talk about AI it means we need to give them the right prompt right Command right instruction to generate the right
outcome if you don't really know the prompting prompting is another language that human need to understand now today everyone needs to learn prompting no one need to learn C C plus plus Java or PHP everyone needs to understand or learn prompting for sure interesting yeah actually actually to that to that point I was uh you know if we're saying the jokes about you know now we're looking for prompting Engineers right and I'm saying that it's a filter through on the socials and it's true because to a certain extent I
may I'll be very honest and I've been honest about this all my career is that I did computer science out of University but I failed it miserably I didn't want to do it as a career and I was happy with that but I always worked with coders with programmers I always understood the code I understood how to work with a development company right and developers so now for me I've got Chad gbt and whatever it might be as a platform but I also treat that as my development house so in my tinkering I'm
able to do some things now through prompting and you've got to be pretty good at the prompting and sometimes it doesn't work the first time you slightly adjust the prompt to get what you want you've got to manipulate the the model to really get the outcome you want so I think when you say that you know you've got to be good at prompting it's definitely the way of the future though I think it's interesting that you're saying that you know you're embracing it as well and I I understand that it needs
to be embraced but when you say that does that mean that you're okay with your your developers using it to make their jobs more efficient absolutely why I would like someone to spend uh two weeks to generate or produce something with their own hands as a human rather than if they can produce daddy within two hours from chat GPT so why I would of course the outcome is same maybe outcome from the charge GDP is much better because it is collecting the data from thousands of the websites uh from the internet and
it's producing the best optimal outcome and maybe human produce code is not that optimal so probably I I'm absolutely fine but there is one catch here um the intellectual property or the data security or the security of privacy parties is one concerned sometime when we we are quite crazy about privacy that may um not help us into this direction for example if I generate some code base from chat GPT and I just copy that and use into my code base uh it means the code generated by child GPT is also now
in the database of chat DPT as well so anyone else can produce the same code so there is no intellectual property uh interesting I was always wondering about that actually so I was wondering you know when you create it and the model responds does it then re-ingest that through its learning mechanism right it's human I know that it has human reinforced learning as part of its process but I didn't think that it was actually I thought it was reinforcing by the responses that the human gave it not what it was giving it so that's quite
interesting uh I guess if you see on the chat dpd specifically and even Dali or what others they have a thumb up a thumb down against every answer so you can that's kind of a reinforced learning or human feedback so uh if you don't really give a feedback which means the answer was correct or did they kind of re uh feed or kind of train their model based on the outcome generated by the AI That's How The AI model kind of keep getting efficient and efficient day by day do you say that as being an issue though
obviously the Privacy the the IP um has come up numerous times and in fact I think last week open AI did get sued for the first time by a particular entity um interestingly enough I'm not sure if you noticed but they pulled the the Bing web search um plug-in I wonder if that was related to that actually I was I'm I haven't found out exactly but it's funny to work it out though because if we think about the way that if I if I ask the model to produce me a piece of code that does a basic hello world code to to make it
very simple it's obviously picking up elements of that code from lots of different areas in its neural network right so it's picking it up from the sharding everywhere so it's not picking it up from one location so it's very hard to it's very hard to reverse engineer who actually owns the code that it's producing so is that is that the is that the catch that makes it okay to be able to do it oh well uh there are a lot of uh talk about this uh in the town right now um to give the credits or ownership of
the original stuff but for example uh Google is scrapping almost all the websites on every weekly basis everything so so the being do so the AI uh open AI do of course the chat GPT so if it is okay for the Google that's my opinion if it is okay for the Google to scrap everything every bit on the on the internet right now every week probably it's it should be okay for chat GPT as well at the same time but there is a catch uh because regulation is very important uh and I'm sure Google does have that on their side
may not I don't really know about them but I'm sure about the Google and I'm sure GPT should have that as well for example if I give the formula of atom bomb to some militant element with the help of chat chat upd so that's very very you know how the world would proceed after that work so we need to be a little uh sure about the sensitivity of the data that we are kind of handing over to the to the users and we really don't understand who is who and what is what in this space yeah yeah TT worry as
a someone who runs and it's CEO for an Outsourcing company that the Outsourcing is becoming outsourced in a certain way is that something that you've considered in this world I mean maybe not today I think we're still a long way away from you know this this replacing your 620 employees but do you think about that in the future as to or do you think it just it simply changes the dynamic of the type of person you hire or the number that you hire maybe maybe you're able to reduce the workload like obviously these
go through your minds but I'm very interested in and that the timing is beautiful actually to talk to someone in software development running this sort of company all right so um you already answered somehow many questions uh so the nature of the person on the nature of the skills I would need in near future would change would drastically evolve into something some something differently uh also a very different I would need AI Engineers more than typical web Engineers probably I won't be needing graphic designers anymore I would be
needing anything to develop a platform or a system that can interest understand or interpret my my prompts and then generate the web probably or design probably or maybe a banner or post or something that so the the nature of the skills required would evolve drastically and if I would say the number of people required for such engine ring would reduce as compared to I do have right now that's again is a different story I believe the number of Engineers required for the for the such stuff in in future would increase because the work would
increase uh dramatically because right now a human is producing something in 10 days and same thing is produced by by charge GPT in five minutes or something like that so it means that outcome that is produced by an AI Port is now should be the outcome should be spread or inserted or inputted into something that is in the next phase because everything that is produced from the AIS is is not uh ready to go into the production that needs to be polished yeah I was going to say how do you trust it how do your guys
trust it obviously you've got QA right but it's like anything I remember I remember in my you know platform days when I was looking after databases um a vendor might give us a script and we just trust it to run something but one day the vendor gave us a script and then effectively instead of deleting a couple of tables it deleted everything right so we didn't check it so how do you how do you instill that mentality into your people to be able to yes work with it to be more efficient leverage the feedback mechanism to make
everything greater the more you put into it but then trusting it that's that's such a huge part I think for you especially given that you're you're selling you're on selling the services to a business and doing the Outsourcing that's right all right so uh there there is a middle tier quality assurance team I have a full-fledged or a huge Department of quality assurance of 40 people around 40 people working in the quality insurance department right now at in Ozone so whatever is uh kind of
marked as ready or marked as to be shipped by the engineering team is quality showed by the by the qualitation team q18 that we called QA team so QA team is ensuring each and every bit that we plan to deliver to the end clients and customers so everything is checked human checked uh efficiently effectively and on daily basis before we deliver to the client yeah it makes sense I I knew that was that was the answer because obviously you've got your processes in place I actually think that that's a good reason to use companies like you
actually because if you think about someone who you talked about the challenges of internal development and Outsourcing and the challenges of In-House teams so maybe an in-house team might intrinsically trust the output of chat jvt more and discuss yep all good but then they're potentially putting themselves at risk so still putting it in the hands of the professionals is going to be the best outcome for everybody so I absolutely believe it doesn't get rid of these sorts of houses right for sure uh I I would go back to the uh
days when WordPress was quite uh in popular and non-technical people laymen were even trying to create their websites using Wordpress so anyone can go to Wordpress install it and then pick a theme and pick some plugins and kind of set up the data and pages and all that but at some point in time they kind of start feeling a need of having a technical person to take that website forward because now they want to have some custom features customizations involved and some technical support involved so now they they are blocked at
that point they start searching or struggling with the with the kind of software Engineers or vendors or companies who can handle their website and taking forward so they can initiate something but to take it forward we really need the technical sport or Tech sport or tech savvy teams or companies who can help us there so similarly with the AI we can generate to some level but at some point in time after taking things forward we need someone who is or some company like Amazon is really expert and um kind of it is their day-to-day job a
kind of supporters are providing the maintenance and further development enhancement into such systems to the to the customers and systems beautifully yeah I love it that's a really good discussion there we could talk for another couple of hours on this whole topic it's so so relevant and it's actually again the timing talking to info Zion is great because you're putting a great perspective on it and you're telling telling it to the people um I want to just finish off I know that specifically around the your generative
AI product you've got something that you've worked on in the last couple of months just maybe give a quick plug to that and what that is all right so recently we uh we have a product like like named invokon.io so invokom is uh sales automation um kind of chatbot uh you don't need any sales person anymore in your team you just plug in it into your website and anyone who is coming to um talk about your products or to your services and want to know more about your services products their prices and what you offer but you don't uh how you
can solve their problem and what not you simply need to chat with a chat about a generative AI based AI bot and AI bot would solve almost all of your questions and kind of signed the contract with you as well at the runtime and start work and then pass it to the of course the human uh intelligent team who is on the back end so that is uh kind of sales automation bot so you don't really need a sales team after having gifts into combat and how is that different to the current or previous generation of chat
Bots that were implied because chatbots have been around for a while so how how is this evolved if you chat with uh infocom chatbot you won't really realize that you're talking to a bot you are you would feel like like if you are talking to a new man exactly like to to a chat GPT if you talk about which you're kind of generate some content from the chat gpp it is so relevant and so accurate uh providing the so uh accurate information that sometimes you can get confused that if it is produced by a human being who is
intelligent enough or buy a chatbot so exactly we are using llm models large Blended models within that's the latest technology the GPT 4 models and uh you would get confused if you are talking to a real human sales person or a chatbot okay no worries I guess if you ask them about commission or something that would give it away probably you know something a little bit more human in that sense but uh that's awesome and is there is there anything else that you're working on that's that's kind of cool at the
moment and that you want to highlight oh yes uh at the moment we are working in healthcare project that Healthcare um because previously we we've been seeing some sort of systems where diagnostic systems based on technology uh that helps the doctors or medical practitioners to diagnose someone's uh problem so right now we are working on a system that kind of take the data of a patient and then give you the diagnostic reports and Analysis analysis on the basis of the all the data or medical data record feed it or inserted or
trained into the model and it's so accurate sometimes that uh practitioners are getting so much help out of it that's that's something that we are working on right now it's in progress project in progress right now and maybe it would be completed by the end of 2023.
okay and maybe give me one like game that you're working on that's quite interesting because obviously everyone loves a computer game right so we uh we are working on that I know for Speed I don't know for Speed is a play to earned game so play to end game means you as far as you are playing the game you are earning the nfts uh nfts are kind of blockchain uh tokens uh that you can convert into uh cryptocurrency and then cryptocurrency can be converted into fiat currency as well at some point in time so uh cardano for Speed is uh already live again one
is live and we are working on Origin two it is a kind of car racing game but with stunt with custom body shops and you can change your because the car lovers understand the custom body of their cards so if you want to change the rims change the tires in the bodies in the light of your car in within the game that you can do uh without any problem because most of the time all the Need for Speed or other car racing games uh they do have one car and you have to pick out of those all options you cannot customize your card so this is for car
lovers specifically and it's kind of play to end game that's awesome yeah I think that I definitely saw that part of D5 as being the future and there was lots of play to play to play to earn games coming out but I think they're obviously maturing so that's cool I love that sort of stuff but hey we could have chatted for a lot more this has been a really good conversation uh again something different that we don't usually do on great things with great Tech but it was really good to get an
Insight again the timing is beautiful some of the commentary around what it is to be a development house in this world of generative AI was really really good to hear so hey thanks for being on this on the show for Khan and look if you uh subscribe or you're new to the show once again please head to gtwgt.
com you can find me at anthonyspateri or at jtwjt podcast and with that I'd like to thank infozone for being on episode 69 of great things with gray Tech [Music] thank you